Saturday, February 13, 2021

Pence at risk - What Trump knew and and when he knew it

Here are a couple of takes on the friction between Kevin McCarthy and Trump. And, BTW, evidence presented at the impeachment trial indicates that Trump knew that VP Pence was at risk and was being moved out of the Senate chamber.

What kind of leader is Kevin McCarthy? Turns out he is a Really Pitiful One opines David Gordon at Blog for Arizona. New details have emerged on the phone call House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy had with Donald Trump during the Trumpist Domestic Terrorist Attack on the Nation’s Capitol.

In new reporting by CNN and other media sources, Mr. Trump refused to call off the rioters and send aid to the Capitol, telling McCarthy:

Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

To which McCarthy reportedly replied:

“Who the f–k do you think you are talking to?”

This is yet more evidence, on the eve of the end of Trump’s record second impeachment trial, of the twice David Duke endorsed twice Popular Vote Loser’s, sociopathic behavior before and during the January 6, 2021, attempted coup at the Nation’s Capitol.

It will make good material for the House Impeachment Managers when they present their closing arguments tomorrow along with reminding the Senators that Trump did not care about the mob wanting to lynch his Vice President.

It is also evidence of how weak and pathetic a leader Kevin McCarthy is.

Within hours of this phone call with Trump, McCarthy was supporting efforts to overturn the Electoral College results in Arizona and Pennsylvania.

Days later, after saying on the floor of the House that Trump bore the blame for some of the events on January 6, 2021, McCarthy led the opposing effort against Trump’s second impeachment.

A week after Joe Biden’s inauguration, it was McCarthy flying to Mara Largo kissing Trump’s tuchas and begging for his help in electing Republicans to the House in 2022 in helping to make him speaker.

How pitiful.

McCarthy should have told Trump to go to hell and helped lead the effort to impeach him.

Instead, he groveled and cowered to the worst person ever to reside in the Oval Office in a Faustian bargain to win power in the House of Representatives.

For most decent people, that is not a deal worth selling your soul for.

Kevin McCarthy, with the revelation of the details of this phone call, showed he is not worthy of holding the speaker’s gavel or any other public policy leadership position.

He needs to retire.

New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters By Jamie Gangel, Kevin Liptak, Michael Warren and Marshall Cohen, CNN Updated 8:40 PM ET, Fri February 12, 2021


In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

“Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump’s comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f–k do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.

The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President’s state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details have been previously reported and discussed publicly by McCarthy.

The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.

He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them,“ a Republican member of Congress said. ”On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does."

Speaking to the President from inside the besieged Capitol, McCarthy pressed Trump to call off his supporters and engaged in a heated disagreement about who comprised the crowd. Trump’s comment about the would-be insurrectionists caring more about the election results than McCarthy did was first mentioned by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, a Republican from Washington state, in a town hall earlier this week, and was confirmed to CNN by Herrera Beutler and other Republicans briefed on the conversation.

“You have to look at what he did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at,” Herrera Beutler, one of 10 House Republicans who voted last month to impeach Trump, told CNN. “That line right there demonstrates to me that either he didn’t care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil, or he wanted it to happen and was OK with it, which makes me so angry.” “We should never stand for that, for any reason, under any party flag,” she added, voicing her extreme frustration: “I’m trying really hard not to say the F-word.”

“I think it speaks to the former President’s mindset,” said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. “He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country.”

As senators prepare to determine Trump’s fate, multiple Republicans thought the details of the call were important to the proceedings because they believe it paints a damning portrait of Trump’s lack of action during the attack. At least one of the sources who spoke to CNN took detailed notes of McCarthy’s recounting of the call.

Trump and McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment.

It took Trump several hours after the attack began to eventually encourage his supporters to “go home in peace” – a tweet that came at the urging of his top aides.

At Trump’s impeachment trial Friday, his lawyers argued that Trump did in fact try to calm the rioters with a series of tweets while the attack unfolded. But his lawyers cherry-picked his tweets, focusing on his request for supporters to “remain peaceful” without mentioning that he also attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence and waited hours to explicitly urge rioters to leave the Capitol.

A source close to Pence said Trump’s legal team was not telling the truth when attorney Michael van der Veen said at the trial that “at no point” did the then-President know his vice president was in danger. Asked whether van der Veen was lying, the source said, “Yes.” Former Pence aides are still fuming over Trump’s actions on January 6, insisting he never checked on the vice president as Pence was being rushed from danger by his US Secret Service detail.

It’s unclear to what extent these new details were known by the House Democratic impeachment managers or whether the team considered calling McCarthy as a witness. The managers have preserved the option to call witnesses in the ongoing impeachment trial, although that option remains unlikely as the trial winds down.

The House Republican leader had been forthcoming with his conference about details of his conversations with Trump on and after January 6.

Trump himself has not taken any responsibility in public.

This story has been updated with additional reporting.

CNN’S Jim Acosta contributed to this report.


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